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Revelation 6 and 2 Comparison The Seven Seals

A side by side comparison of the Ecclesial match up with the 7 seals. 

CLV Re 6:1 And I perceived when the Lambkin [Jesus in all openings] opens one out of the seven seals [Jesus actually opened all of the seals for John so that he could write down what he heard and saw.  This is so that when these things occurred, his disciples would be able to recognize them when they occur…we do not open them per say but we recognize what is said]; and I hear one out of the four living ones saying, as with a voice of thunder, "Come!" [each of the first four churches under Russell, Rutherford, Knorr and Franz represent the “living ones” who are all anointed 1NC Saints – the “voice of thunder” has to do with Russell who shares a position with Matthias and is part of this first seal – the first four presidents of FDS3 did say “come” while they were the heads of the JW’s who predicted the coming of Jesus and Armageddon up until 1975 when Franz submitted to the pressures of the governing body to stop such speculation as it was detrimental to the church from a membership (i.e. financial) standpoint. These four however all repented for their acts as is demonstrated later. These are a new creation better than the angels].

CLV Re 6:2 And I (John) perceived, and lo! a white horse [the church of Ephesus], and he who is sitting on it [Russell] has a bow, and to him was given a crown. And he came forth conquering and that he should be conquering [Russell was the First Elijah in the presence and did conquer and is now a 1NC Saint in heaven – this seal is accomplished].

 

 

 

CLV Re 2:1  "To the messenger [Russell] of the ecclesia in Ephesus write:  `Now this He is saying Who is holding the seven stars in His right hand, Who is walking in the midst of the seven golden lampstands:

CLV Re 2:2 "I am aware of your acts, and your toil, and your endurance, and that you can not bear evil men, and you try those saying that they themselves are apostles, and they are not, and you found them false [Those in Christendom of Babylon];

CLV Re 2:3 and you have endurance, and you bear because of My name, and are not wearied.

CLV Re 2:4 But I have against you that you leave your first love [this happened early when Russell’s first love which was pure bible study with the Millerist Adventists during the time they jointly edited a religious journal titled “Herald of the Morning”.  This was soon replaced by the WT Society “beast” rising out of the sea].

CLV Re 2:5 Remember, then, whence you have fallen, and repent, and do the former acts (go back to bible study with a pure heart and not a corporate heart). Yet if not, I am coming to you, and shall be moving your lampstand out of its place, if ever you should not be repenting (which he did).

CLV Re 2:6 But this you have, that you are hating the acts of the Nicolaitans, which I', also, am hating.

CLV Re 2:7 Who has an ear, let him hear what the spirit is saying to the ecclesia’s.  To the one who is conquering, to him will I be granting to be eating out of the log of life which is in the center of the paradise of God."'

 

 

CLV Re 6:3 And when It [the Lambkin - Jesus] opens the second seal, I (John) hear the second living one saying, "Come!"  

CLV Re 6:4 And forth came another horse [the church of Smyrna], fiery-red, and to him who is sitting on it [Rutherford] was given to take peace out of the earth [earth being the Watchtower administration Rutherford did this when those appointed by Russell tried to wrestle power from the head and give it to the body. These were purged by Rutherford – see Note 1 below for historical details], and that they should be slaying one another [there were many internal battles in the bible tract society during this timeline again explained in Note 1]. And a huge sword was given to him [this sword being his extensive legal background as Russell’s chief legal advisor – this seal is accomplished].

Note:1

According to instructions Russell left behind, his successor to the presidency would share power with an editorial committee and with the Watch Tower corporation's board of directors, whom Russell had appointed "for life." But vice president Joseph Franklin ("Judge") Rutherford soon set about concentrating all organizational authority in his own hands. A skilled lawyer who had served as Russell's chief legal advisor, he combined legal prowess with what opponents undoubtedly saw as a Machiavellian approach to internal corporate politics. Thus he used a loophole in their appointment to unseat the majority of the Watch Tower directors without calling a membership vote. And he even had a subordinate summon the police into the Society's Brooklyn headquarters offices to break up their board meeting and evict them from the premises. (Faith on the March by A. H. Macmillan, pp. 78-80)

After securing the headquarters complex and the church’s corporate entities, Rutherford turned his attention to the rest of the organization. By gradually replacing locally elected elders with his own appointees, he managed to transform a loose collection of semi-autonomous democratically-run congregations into a tight-knit organizational machine run from his office. Some local congregations broke away, forming such Russellite splinter groups as the Chicago Bible Students, the Dawn Bible Students, and the

Laymen's Home Missionary Movement, all of which continue to this day. But most Bible Students remained under his control, and Rutherford renamed them "Jehovah's Witnesses" in 1931, to distinguish them from these other groups.

CLV Re 2:8  "And to the messenger [Rutherford] of the ecclesia in Smyrna write:  `Now, this He is saying Who is the First and the Last, Who became dead, and lives:

CLV Re 2:9 I am aware of your acts and affliction and poverty (but you are rich) and the blasphemy out of those saying that they themselves are Jews, and they are not, but are a synagogue of Satan [Rutherford recognized what the Watchtower Society had become and he used his extensive legal sword to fight it].

CLV Re 2:10 Fear nothing that you are about to be suffering. Lo! the Adversary is about to be casting some out of you into jail that you may be tried [what better way to take him out of the fight against the WTS], and you will be having affliction ten days. Become faithful until death, and I shall be giving you the crown of life [which he did].

CLV Re 2:11 Who has an ear, let him hear what the spirit is saying to the ecclesia’s.  "The one who is conquering may under no circumstances be injured by the second death."

 

 

 

CLV Re 6:5 And when It [the Lambkin] opens the third seal, I hear the third living one saying, "Come!"  And I perceived and lo! a black horse [the church of Pergamum], and he who is sitting on it [Knorr] has a yoke in his hand [see Note 2 below].

CLV Re 6:6 And I hear as it were a voice in the midst of the four animals saying, "A choenix of wheat a denarius, and three choenix of barley a denarius, and the oil and the wine you should not be injuring [this also is explained in Note 2 – this seal is accomplished].

Note:2

The yoke was a combination of Knorr’s intensive training programs for proselytizing and the myriad of pharisaical laws imposed by the WT beast to include restrictions placed on what people could do with regard to their families, careers, and even medical care (i.e. “blood” rules).  They used the “time of the end” campaign as a tool to control their flock more than “feed” them. 

The choenix of wheat and three for barley a denarius is about going door to door…it is the wages paid for going out to do field service.  Not harming the oil and the wine is a warning to Knorr.  The horse being “black” coincides with the church of Pergamum being where the throne of Satan is (the WT itself who is the seat of Moses in Pharisaical terms).   

During Knorr’s headship in 1975/6 changes took place at Watchtower headquarters in regard to presidential power. First it became accepted in theory that the true Christian Church should not be under one-man rule, but rather should be governed by a body similar to the twelve apostles. The 7-member board of directors of the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania had previously been portrayed as fulfilling this role, but in 1971 an expanded Governing Body was created with a total of eleven members, including the seven Directors. The aim was to demonstrate that the leadership derived authority from an apostolic source, rather than from Pennsylvania corporate law (i.e. the Watchtower).

 

 

CLV Re 2:12  "And to the messenger of the ecclesia in Pergamum [Knorr] write: `Now this He is saying Who has the sharp two-edged blade:

CLV Re 2:13 I am aware where you are dwelling where ever the throne of Satan is and you are holding My name, and do not disown My faith in the days in which Antipas, My faithful witness, which was killed among you, where ever Satan is dwelling [the WTS Beast].

CLV Re 2:14 But I have a few things against you, that you have there those holding the teaching of Balaam, who taught Balak to cast a snare before the sons of Israel, to be eating idol sacrifices, and to commit prostitution.

CLV Re 2:15 Thus you', also, have those holding the teaching of the Nicolaitans, likewise.

CLV Re 2:16 Repent then [which he did]! Yet if not, I am coming to you swiftly and shall be battling with them with the blade of My mouth.

CLV Re 2:17 Who has an ear, let him hear what the spirit is saying to the ecclesia’s.  To the one who is conquering, to him will I be giving out of the hidden manna, and I shall be giving him a white pebble and on the pebble a new name written, of which not one is aware except the one who is obtaining it."'

This new Governing Body was displayed as further evidence of the church being the one true church, but in actuality Nathan Knorr continued to rule Jehovah's Witnesses much as Russell and Rutherford had done before him.

Governing Body members began insisting on exercising the powers granted to them in theory but that had never really been theirs in practice. Over the objections of Fred Franz the Body that he had been instrumental in creating actually began governing, so that when Nathan Knorr passed away in 1977 Franz inherited an emasculated presidency.

 

 

CLV Re 6:7 And when It opens the fourth seal, I hear the voice of the fourth living one saying, "Come!"

CLV Re 6:8 And I perceived, and lo! a greenish horse [the church of Thyatira], and the name of him who is sitting upon it is Death [the one sitting on the horse is the governing body since Franz inherited this arrangement - these are all unfaithful saints who are judicially dead], and the Unseen followed him. And jurisdiction was given them over the fourth of the earth, to kill with the blade and with famine and with death [see Re 2:23] and by the wild beasts of the earth [during the time of Thyatira a great purge took place as a result of the membership losses due to earlier failed predictions of Armageddon – see Note 3 below – this seal has been accomplished].

Note 3

Note 3 - When membership loss grew into the hundreds of thousands-a fact masked by new conversions in figures released by the Society, but reported in an investigative article in the Los Angeles Times of January 30, 1982 (pp. 4-5)-president Franz and the conservative majority on the Governing Body took action. In the spring of 1980 they initiated a crack-down on dissidents, breaking up the independent Bible study groups at headquarters, and forming "judicial committees" to have those seen as ringleaders put on trial for "disloyalty" and "apostasy." -  this is how they effectively “killed” in Rev 6:8

 

 

CLV Re 2:18  "And to the messenger of the ecclesia in Thyatira [Franz] write:  `Now this the Son of God is saying, Who has His eyes as a flame of fire, and His feet like white bronze:

CLV Re 2:19 I am aware of your acts and love and faith and service and your endurance, and your last acts are more than the former. [Franz not only objected to the power and authority going to the governing body but also worked hard to restore faith in the chronological understandings of the church]

CLV Re 2:20 But I have much against you, seeing that you pardon that woman of yours, Jezebel [Franz put up with what he disagreed with regard to the unfaithful saints who were an integral part of the governing body in the WT beast at the time], who says that she is a prophetess, and is teaching and deceiving My slaves [the faithful saints in the JW’s] so as to commit prostitution and to be eating idol sacrifices [i.e. worship of the GB as the head of the church].

CLV Re 2:21 And I give her time that she should be repenting, and she is not willing to repent out of her prostitution.

CLV Re 2:22 Lo! I will cast her into a couch, and those committing adultery with her into great affliction, if ever they will not be repenting out of her acts.

CLV Re 2:23 And her children shall I be killing with death [just as the fourth horse and its rider are described to do in Rev 6:8], and all the ecclesia’s shall know that I' am He Who is searching the kidneys and hearts. And I will be giving to each of you in accord with your acts.

CLV Re 2:25 Moreover, what you have [faith], hold until that time whenever I should be arriving.

CLV Re 2:26  And to the one who is conquering and keeping My acts until the consummation, to him will I be giving authority over the nations;

CLV Re 2:27 and he shall be shepherding them with an iron club, as vessels of pottery are being crushed, as I' also have obtained from My Father.

CLV Re 2:28 And I will give him the morning star.

CLV Re 2:29 Who has an ear, let him hear what the spirit is saying to the ecclesia’s.'

 

 

CLV Re 6:9 And when It opens the fifth seal, I perceived underneath the altar the souls of those who have been slain because of the word of God and because of the testimony which they had [no “living one” saying “come” during this seal and in fact the WT had quit speculating as to when Jesus would come as the generation of those who would not pass away being a physical manifestation of those in the anointed class of the church instead of a spiritual manifestation of all those in the JAC who are part of the “born again” generation (so the reserves would also apply).  This is ironic in one way since Jesus actually did come during this watch to appoint a new head [Gordon] to feed his flock at the proper time (see Rev 3:3) – also no mention of a horse or a rider because there is no change in either when this seal is opened since the beast continues to run the WT after this].

CLV Re 6:10 And they [those who were disfellowshipped for their testimony] cry with a loud voice, saying, "Till when, O Owner, holy and true, art Thou not judging and avenging our blood on those dwelling on the earth [those on the payroll of the Watchtower Society who have effectively killed all of those they have disfellowshipped for their testimony to Jesus]?"

CLV Re 6:11 And to each of them was given a white robe [see Rev 3:4], and it was declared to them that they should be resting still a little time, till their number should be completed by their fellow slaves also, and their brethren, who are about to be killed even as they were [this white robe is either given through baptism into FDS4 or from Jesus directly for their faith and endurance under the pharisaical rule of the WT until their “death”].

 

CLV Re 3:1 "And to the messenger of the ecclesia in Sardis [Henschel] write: `Now this He is saying Who has the seven spirits of God and the seven stars: "I am aware of your acts, that you have a name that you are living [so he must have been a 1NC reserve], and are dead [lost his spirit baptism due to idolatry].

CLV Re 3:2 Become watchful, and establish the rest who were about to be dying [those mentioned in the fifth seal (Rev 6:11)]; for I have not found your acts completed in the sight of My God [he was not yet sealed in holy spirit].

CLV Re 3:3 Remember, then, how you have obtained [his anointing and his understanding], and hear [what FDS4 is telling you]; keep it and repent [which he must not have done before he died in Mar 2003 13Adarll2002 as only the first four are “living” and there were only seven messengers standing before God preparing to blow their trumpets – see Rev 8:2]. If ever, then, you should not be watching [which he was not], I shall be arriving on you as a thief [which He did], and under no circumstances will you be knowing what hour I shall be arriving on you [Jesus did arrive as a thief and appointed the mediator of the 2NC whom Henschel did not listen to].

CLV Re 3:4 But you have a few names in Sardis which do not pollute their garments, and they shall walk with Me in white [robes - see Rev 6:11], for they are worthy [the faithful in the JAC, ICC, and 1AC hence “names” plural.

CLV Re 3:5 "The one who is conquering, he shall be clothed in white garments, and under no circumstances will I be blotting his name from the scroll of life [disfellowshipping him out of the JAC], and I will be avowing his name in front of My Father and sight before His messengers.

CLV Re 3:6 Who has an ear, let him hear what the spirit is saying to the ecclesia’s."'

 

 

CLV Re 6:12 And I perceived, when It [the Lambkin] opens the sixth seal [if these are correct it would seem the events of this seal began in Elul of 2004), and a great cataclysm occurred [the heavens were shaken when FDS4 was appointed as the only true church and FDS3 became the good for nothing slave], and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair [see Rev 16:10 – the sun represents the 1NC Saints in heaven who have their spirits darkened by what has happened to their fellow slaves in TCC3 knowing that they are in danger of ending up in Gehenna if they don’t repent], and the whole moon [the whole church of the JW’s who are now under Satan’s authority] became as blood [they are all judicially dead because they are unclean in the flesh due to their oppressors in the WT],

CLV Re 6:13 and the stars of heaven [1NC and 2NC Saints] fall on the earth as a fig tree is casting its shriveled figs [no water – dried up], quaking under a great wind [losing their spirit baptism for worshipping the beast and having been defiled in the flesh].

CLV Re 6:14 And heaven recoils as a scroll rolling up [this is the scroll of life (JAC) – no one is able to enter it anymore as the angels have already sanctified everyone who can be (as of 2003) – Rev 6:14, 7:3, and 17:8], and every mountain and island was moved out of its place [so this affected the JW’s world wide and perhaps every religion on the planet is affected by these events].

CLV Re 6:16 And they [the saints that have fallen] are saying to the mountains and to the rocks, "Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him Who is sitting on the throne [Jehovah], and from the indignation of the Lambkin [Jesus whom they pierced],

CLV Re 6:17 for the great day of Their [the saints who fell] indignation came, and who is able to stand [good question – try those who repent and join FDS4 – the two prophet’s stand up after 1263 days of prophesying and being killed – Pentecost when Peter stands up with the eleven]?"

CLV Re 3:7  "And to the messenger of the ecclesia in Philadelphia  [Gordon] write:  "Now this is saying the True, the Holy One, Who has the key of David, and Who is opening and not one shall be locking, and locking and not one shall be opening:

CLV Re 3:8 "I am aware of your acts. Lo! Before you have I granted an open door which not one is able to lock it, that you have a little power, and you keep My word and you do not disown My name [as mediator of the 2NC – The LW’s know that Jesus is a God to be worshipped and so do not disown His name like the WT did in 1954].

CLV Re 3:9 Lo! I have granted to those out of the synagogue of Satan [the JW’s as a whole], (who are saying that they themselves are Jews, and are not, but are lying)--Lo! I shall be making them that they will be arriving and worshiping, before your feet, and they may know that I' love you [this will occur after the two witnesses stand up and are exposed as His son’s].

CLV Re 3:10 Seeing that you keep the word of My endurance, I', also, will be keeping you out of the hour of trial which is about to be coming on the whole inhabited earth to try those dwelling on the earth [the “inhabited earth” actually being the world].

CLV Re 3:11 I am coming swiftly! Hold what you have, that no one may be taking your crown.

CLV Re 3:12 "The one who is conquering, him will I be making a pillar in the temple of My God, and he may be coming out nevermore, and I will be writing on him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, the new Jerusalem, which is descending out of heaven from My God, and My new name.

CLV Re 3:13 Who has an ear, let him hear what the spirit is saying to the ecclesia’s."'

 

 

CLV Re 7:1 And after this [this is a separate vision which provides continuity to the events] I perceived four messengers standing at the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind may not be blowing on the land, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

CLV Re 7:2 And I perceived another messenger ascending from the orient, having the seal of the living God. And he cries with a loud voice to the four messengers to whom it was given for them to injure the land and the sea,

CLV Re 7:3 saying, "You shall not be injuring the land, nor yet the sea, nor yet the trees, until we should be sealing the slaves of our God on their foreheads [this sealing ends from a heavenly standpoint during the time of the sixth seal since the scroll has been rolled up for entrance into the JAC – The One who knows from the beginning what the end will be has spoken]."

CLV Re 7:4 And I hear the number of those sealed: a hundred forty-four thousand. Sealed out of every tribe of the sons of Israel are: [omitted the rest to save space!]

 

 

 

CLV Re 8:1 And when It [the lambkin – Jesus] opens the seventh seal, a hush occurred in heaven as it were half an hour [since this is tied to the Laodicean messenger the hush may be a waiting period to see what he does after joining the LW’s].

CLV Re 8:2 And I perceived the seven messengers who stand before God [three from FDS1 (Peter, James, plus one other) and four from FDS4 (Russell, Rutherford, Knorr, and Franz) who are now residing in heaven], and seven trumpets were given to them.

CLV Re 8:3 And another messenger came and was standing at the altar, having a golden thurible. And much incense was given him that he shall be imparting to the prayers of all the saints, on the golden altar before the throne.

CLV Re 8:4 And the fumes of the incense with the prayers of the saints ascended out of the messenger's hand before God.

CLV Re 8:5 And the messenger has taken the thurible, and he crams it with the fire of the altar and casts it into the earth. And thunders and voices and lightning’s and an earthquake occurred.

CLV Re 8:6 And the seven messengers who have the seven trumpets make themselves ready that they should be trumpeting.

So in essence if this understanding is correct, then we are already in the seventh seal and much of what is to occur, has already occurred with regard to the church.

CLV Re 3:14  "And to the messenger of the ecclesia in Laodicea  [the unknown messenger] write:  `Now this is saying the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, and God's Creative Original:

CLV Re 3:15 "I am aware of your acts, that neither cool are you nor zealous! Would that you were cool or zealous!

CLV Re 3:16 Thus, seeing that you are indifferent, and are neither zealous nor cool, I am about to spew you out of My mouth [not that He “will” but is “about to”.  Jesus mouth is FDS4 and the Laodicean messenger who carries a LW baptism was certainly indifferent to this church and in fact struck out in his own way].

CLV Re 3:17 Seeing that you are saying that Rich am I and Rich have I become, and of nothing have I need [for he believes that he completed his baptism and is now sealed in Holy Spirit]!  and you are not aware that you are wretched and forlorn and poor and blind and naked [he did not know that he was not yet sealed in the spirit at the time he went back into TCC3],

CLV Re 3:18 I am advising you to buy of Me gold refined by the fire [convince those in TCC3 to listen to Jesus’ voice and be baptized into FDS4], that you should be rich, and white garments, that you may be clothed and the shame of your nakedness may not be made manifest, and eye-salve to anoint your eyes, that you may be observing [which he has not yet done but hopefully will do quickly].

 

CLV Re 3:19 "Whosoever I may be fond of, I am exposing and disciplining. Be zealous, then, and repent!

CLV Re 3:20 Lo! I stand at the door and am knocking. If ever anyone should be hearing My voice and opening the door, I will also be coming into toward him and dining with him, and he with Me.

CLV Re 3:22 ‘Who has an ear, let him hear what the spirit is saying to the ecclesia’s."

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